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Showing posts with label Marriage. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Marriage. Show all posts
Thursday, October 28, 2010
Wednesday, October 27, 2010
Was Moses Polygamous?
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The Bible does not say that Zipporah was from the
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The wife of Moses was a Cushite, according to the Book of Numbers 12:1. Exagoge 60-65 by Ezekiel the Tragedian (fragments reproduced in Eusebius) has Zipporah describe herself to Moses as a stranger in the
"Stranger, this land is called
Also, “Scholars like Johann Michaelis and Rosenmuller have pointed out that the name
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I hate to say it, but you are repeating a common argument presented by opponents of polygamy, regarding Zipporah and the Ethiopian woman as being the same woman. They are not. And a little closer attention to the detail of scripture will demonstrate that these woman come from different countries and different lineages.
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Not according to my research.
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The first wife of Moses (Zipporah) is the daughter of the priest of Midian. It is important that we understand that she is a Midianite and the Midianites are descendants of Abraham.
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Jethro is called a priest of Midian and became father-in-law of Moses after he gave his daughter, Zipporah, in marriage to Moses, not a Midianite.
Jethro, priest of Midian, and father-in-law of Moses, is "said" to have been a Kenite, but merely live in the
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Midian is located south of
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True, but so was
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Yes, but keep reading, “The existence of the historical
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The Midianites are the descendants of Midian a son of Abraham and Keturah.
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Really, what does that prove? Jethro only lived among them, he was a Kenite.
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The Kenites?
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The Kenites are not pure Midianites. They only lived among them, as far as I can tell. Careful research will show that Kenite clans were distributed all over the ancient world. As far north as
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In Genesis 25:1-2 we read, “Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah. And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and
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So? Again, what does that prove? Jethro only lived among them, he was a Kenite.
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This is necessary to establish that Zippora is not confused with his Ethiopian wife in Numbers 12. Many assume that the numbers 12 wife is Zipporah. However, the Numbers 12 wife is clearly a Cushite or Ethiopian which was a descendant of Ham, whereas Midian, a son of Abraham, was a descendant of Noah’s son Shem. Thus, these would not be the same women.
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Same o same o
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“And the sons of Ham;
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Yep, that’s right.
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Zipporah was not from
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Well, since she was, I believe the same person we have been referring to as Moses’ wife, I believe she was. The point is Mike, you guys are straining at a nit to prove a point. I just don’t see it. It goes against solid historical research, only part of which I have given.
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When we understand that Jethro and his daughters did not come from Cush/Ethiopia, but from Midian, two separate peoples and regions, we are able to understand that the Ethiopian woman of Numbers 12 is not Zipporah the daughter of Jethro a Midianite priest. She was clearly identified as a Cushite, a desendant of
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Not so clear to me.
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Are we looking for God's truth which causes scripture to fully harmonize?
Or do we seek the approval of those who expect us to believe as they do?
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Far as I am concerned scripture does harmonize. There you go again, Mike, pointing a finger, questioning someone’s courage. Stop it! Quit playing God. Be nice. God is big enough to handle my conscience.
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Accepting and teaching the truth of biblical polygamy would cost many ministers their ministries and their financial support. They have much to lose.
We all have the right to be wrong,,, and where shall we stand
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What has that got to do with the price of tea in
Yeah, I have a right, but not a desire to be wrong on anything, particularly things pertaining to God.
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At the bema seat, where all of our works are tried to see if they are wood hay & stubble, or silver and gold. I do not care if the majority want to believe and teach the same traditions of man. It takes man of God to stand for and preach all of God's truths, especially the truths that might cost a man his esteem and his following.
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I think I lost all my fear of men when I was a kid preaching on the street corner with all of my class mates walking by jeering. I’ve got self esteem, but no following. Sad to say. And, if I did, I would turn them around and point them to Jesus and ask them to follow him.
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I do not believe the New Testament teaches monogamy only. I believe that is a tradition of man based on misunderstanding of scripture. I believe
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Huummmm. Guess we must disagree on that. No, I really think that what often happens is that we many times subconsciously try to justify our own idiosyncrasies or foibles.
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Wednesday, March 10, 2010
"Jesus never condemned homosexuality. So, why do you?"
Well, technically speaking Jesus said he did not come to condemn, but to give life. John said,
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:17)However, to say that Jesus did not address the homosexual issue, at least by inference, is simply not true.
Jesus said, [that] from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (Mark 10: 6-9)This is in line with and in the broader context of the Genesis account and the proscriptions against homosexuality in both the Old and New Testament. To cleave to ones partner (as in marriage) and become one flesh through the sexual act, is what Jesus had in mind. The command to go forth and multiply is inclusive in the purpose of marriage and sexual partnerships; and is most surely something that homosexual partners can not do.
Monday, March 01, 2010
Polygamy: a missionary's response
This is a response given to a new Christian seeking counsel on polygamy.
Dear new Christian, I noticed that you married to more than one woman. Are you legally married to them, or just living with these women? Normally, Christians do not have more than one wife; however, if this is a legal arrangement, you are obligated to support each of them and treat them equally.
The problem that you have created by marrying more than one woman is not unforgiveable; but it is not an ideal situation under the best of circumstances. I really hope that you have made every effort to bring them to Christ. Paul’s advice to someone in a complicated situation in 1 Corinthians 7: 20 was, "Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called." In that chapter, you will notice that there are several conditions listed, including marriage, and I suppose that would include multiple marriages.
However, the bottom line in all of this is that this is between you and God; but under no circumstances are you to kick a poor woman out into the street simply because you have several wives. So, I leave this up to the grace of God, and I believe that you can live a success Christian life; but you should not encourage others to take more wives. God allows only one wife for a Christian, unless you have already married others.
Now, please understand that not everyone will agree with my position on this, particularly Western Christians or those heavily influenced by Western Christians; however, since you are already in the situation, you must accept the facts and God's grace to carry you through.
Please write to me the first ideas that come to your mind on how you can know God's plan for each day of your life. I look forward to helping you discover in the Bible God's answers for your life. I believe this will be an exciting journey for you - and I will be glad to walk along with you.
May I encourage you to find a church in your city to attend. When you celebrate your relationship with Jesus with other Christian brothers and sisters, you will be encouraged to continue on your new journey.
As I close for now, let me encourage you with these words from the Bible: "If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, the new has come." 2 Corinthians 5:17.
Discovering this new life you have in Christ will be the best journey you have ever been on - and it has a guaranteed happy ending! And I believe you will find that God's plan for each day of your life now is very satisfying.
May you know the joy of God's love for you,
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